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5 Feb 2018

Goldschmidt (2.1.4.1.39) Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps, “Providentialisme et causalité”, summary

 

by Corry Shores

 

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Summary of

 

Victor Goldschmidt

 

Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps

 

Deuxième partie:

Aspects temporels de la morale stoïcienne

 

A

La Connaissance

 

Chapitre IV

L’interprétation des événements

 

1

L’interprétation a l’échelle cosmique

 

2.1.4.1.39

Providentialisme et causalité

 

 

 

 

Brief summary:

(2.1.4.1.39.1) Since we cannot know how events and our actions are leading finally to the greater good of the whole, we are left to wonder, what then is the good of consulting diviners to tell us about the future and about how we should behave now with respect to that foreseeable future? For, whatever it is that they tell us to do, it will still only result in the foreseen event. But that is precisely what their value is. They can guide us to do our part in bringing about that future. But why would we help a bad outcome for us to transpire? That is because there really are no bad outcomes from the perspective of divine providence. For, anything that seems bad for us is really good for the whole in the end, even though we cannot understand how or why. Thus diviners are agents of Destiny, and they help us become agents of Destiny too.

 

 

 

 

Contents

 

2.1.4.1.39.1

[Diviners and Divinees as Agents of Destiny]

 

Bibliography

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary

 

 

2.1.4.1.39

Providentialisme et causalité

 

 

2.1.4.1.39.1

[Diviners and Divinees as Agents of Destiny]

 

(p.89-91: “ C’est la divination, précisément, qui « confirme tout …”)

 

[In sum: Since we cannot know how events and our actions are leading finally to the greater good of the whole, we are left to wonder, what then is the good of consulting diviners to tell us about the future and about how we should behave now with respect to that foreseeable future? For, whatever it is that they tell us to do, it will still only result in the foreseen event. But that is precisely what their value is. They can guide us to do our part in bringing about that future. But why would we help a bad outcome for us to transpire? That is because there really are no bad outcomes from the perspective of divine providence. For, anything that seems bad for us is really good for the whole in the end, even though we cannot understand how or why. Thus diviners are agents of Destiny, and they help us become agents of Destiny too.]

 

Divination is what confirms the idea of the providence of the gods who are watching over human affairs. But how in fact does divination reveal this divine benevolence? The problem here is [that it turns us away from anthropomorphic finalism (which we said in section 2.1.4.1.37.3 and section 2.1.4.1.37.5 was that all things in the world are designed for the gods and men and generally speaking for the good of all), for, if we have a prevision of what will happen to us (and how we will react, then if we act differently, we have contradicted the very assumptions underlying how the prevision was possible in the first place.) We might for example try to ward off bad futures using prayers or similar spiritualistic means. But were we to do so, it would be a matter of confatality, which means that we would have done them anyway by necessity. But if in fact any action we take to ward off a bad future is already presumed by the prophesy to take place as part of how events lead up to that bad future, then what service does a diviner render to us? For, our actions that we do out of concern about that future will still only lead to that same future. The answer here is that the diviner is an agent of destiny, [broadly speaking, and he helps us become agents of our particular destiny too, to make us aware that we must participate actively in how our divined future comes about, even if it is a bad future. (For, remember from section 2.1.4.1.37.5, there is no “bad” event that can happen from the perspective of the whole.)] Here Goldschmidt cites Cicero’s Natural Questions, Chapter 2, section 38, lines 3-4, but let us read some context too:

(3) “Either it’s going to happen or it’s not,” someone says. “If it’s going to happen, it will happen, even if you do not undertake vows. If it’s not going to happen, even if you do undertake vows, it will not happen.” Your dilemma is invalid, because you are ignoring the proviso that falls between those alternatives: this will happen, but only if vows are undertaken. (38.1) “But,” someone says, “fate must also cover this very point, that you either undertake vows or you do not.” Regard me as surrendering to you and conceding that the fact that vows will occur is also covered by fate: therefore they will occur. (2) It is fated that one man should be eloquent, but only if he learns to read; the same fate includes the point that he should learn to read: therefore he must be taught. This man will be wealthy, but only if he goes to sea; but in the sequence of fated events that promises him a large fortune, this too is necessarily included, that he should also go to sea: therefore he will go to sea. It is the same with expiations, I tell you: someone will escape the dangers if he expiates the divinely predicted threats; but it is also fated that he should expiate them; therefore he does expiate them. (3) Such arguments are commonly used against us to prove that nothing is left to our will, and that full rights over our actions are handed over <to fate>. When I am dealing with that topic, I shall explain how something is left to the individual’s decision, though fate remains intact. But for the present I have explained what is under discussion, how, if the course of fate is fixed, expiations and | placatory sacrifices can avert the dangers of prodigies: the reason being that they do not compete with fate, but they themselves are subject to fate’s law. (4) “So what use is a diviner to me?” you ask. “For it is necessary for me to perform the expiation in any case, even if he does not advise it.” He is of use because he is a servant of fate; in the same way, although we are indebted to fate for good health, we are also indebted to the doctor, because fate’s kindness reaches us through his hands.

(Seneca 2010: 181-182)

And next from Epictetus, Discourses, Book 2, ch.10, part:

CONSIDER who you are. In the first place, you are a man and this is one who has nothing superior to the faculty of the will, but all other things subjected to it; and the faculty itself he possesses unenslaved and free from subjection. Consider then from what things you have been separated by reason. You have been separated from wild beasts: you have been separated from domestic animals (προβάτων). Further, you are a citizen of the world, and a part of it, not one of the subservient (serving), but one of the principal (ruling) parts, for you are capable of comprehending the divine administration and of considering the connexion of things. What then does the character of a citizen promise (profess)? To hold nothing as profitable to himself; to deliberate about nothing as if he were detached from the community, but to act as the hand or foot would do, if they had reason and understood the constitution of nature, for they would never put themselves in motion nor desire any thing otherwise than with reference to the whole. Therefore the philosophers say well, that if the good man had foreknowledge of what would happen, he would co-operate towards his own sickness and death and mutilation, since he knows that these things are assigned to him according to the universal arrangement, and that the whole is superior to the part, and the state to the citizen. But now because we do not know the future, it is our duty to stick to the things which are in their nature more suitable for our choice, for we were made among other things for this.

(Epictetus 1890, copied from Perseus)

Thus, we should consult diviners, but not with our desires in mind but only to aid in the unfolding of destiny. For as we see in Epictetus, Discourses, Book 2, Chapter 7, “How We Ought to Use Divination” (part):

What then leads us to frequent use of divination? Cowardice, the dread of what will happen. This is the reason why we flatter the diviners. Pray, master, shall I succeed to the property of my father? Let us see: let us sacrifice on the occasion.—Yes, master, as fortune chooses. —When he has said, You shall succeed to the inheritance, we thank him as if we received the inheritance from him. The consequence is that they play upon us.

What then should we do? We ought to come (to divination) without desire or aversion, as the wayfarer asks of the man whom he meets which of two roads leads (to his journey's end), without any desire for that which leads to the right rather than to the left, for he has no wish to go by any road except the road which leads (to his end).

(Epictetus 1890, copied from Perseus)

So there is a danger in interpreting the finalism of providence in terms of our personal preferences, (namely I think, the danger of going against G0d’s wisdom for the greater good of the whole.) This again refers us back to bare causality (but I am not sure what is meant by that. It perhaps means that we cannot know the finalities of things, but we can work with the causes, as for example the ways our behaviors serve as causes of events leading to those finalities.)]

39. C’est la divination, précisément, qui « confirme tout [89|90] à fait l’idée que la providence des dieux veille sur les affaires humaines »1. Mais en quoi, exactement, ce don de prévision manifeste-t-il la bienveillance divine ? – Sans doute peut-on répondre : « Il est faux que la connaissance des événements futurs ne nous importe en rien, car nous serons davantage sur nos gardes, si nous l’avons »2. Mais de cette réponse, il convient d’écarter toute idée de finalisme anthropocentrique. Ce serait contredire la prévision aussi bien que la providence, que de croire que, connaissant l’avenir, on pourrait le changer. Si la prédiction annonce simplement « des dangers qui nous menacent » alors, sans doute, prières, vœux, sacrifices pourront « détourner » ces dangers. Mais de telles « mesures de précautions »3 rentrent elles-mêmes dans le destin et « sont comprises sous sa loi » à titre de confatalia. Nécessairement donc, nous les eussions prises. « En ce cas, quel service un haruspice me rend-il ? Je suis de toute façon obligé de faire ces expiations, même s’il ne me les conseille pas. – Le service qu’il te rend, c’est d’être l’agent du destin4. » Donc, même dans le cas d’un danger conjuré, le finalisme de la prédiction est résorbé dans la causalité du destin. Il en est ainsi, à plus forte raison, quand l’avenir annoncé dépasse la probabilité d’un danger. Il semble même que l’utilité véritable de la divination consiste à nous faire connaître ce qui sera, sans plus ; que le bon usage de la divination se borne à nous rendre nous-mêmes « agents du destin » ; que les « mesures de précaution » tendent précisément à nous faire coopérer à ce quiarrivera5. Aussi faut-il « aller vers les devins sans désir et sans répugnance, comme le voyageur demande au passant qu’il rencontre laquelle des deux routes conduit au but, ne désirant pas davantage que ce soit celle de droite plutôt que celle de gauche. Il ne veut pas, en effet, passer par telle de ces routes, mais par celle qui [90|91] conduit »1. – Devant le danger d’interpréter le finalisme de la providence selon nos préférences passionnelles, nous sommes renvoyés, ici encore, à la causalité nue.

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1, Cic., de nat. deor., II, LXV, 162.

2. Cic., de diu., I, XXXVIII, 83: « Neque nostra nihil interest scire ea quae euentura sunt ; erinius enim cautiores, si sciemus ».

3 Cf. note précèd.

4. Sénèque, Quest. Nat., II, XXXVIII, 3-4.

5. P. ex. Epictète, .Diss., II, X, 5 : « Si l’homme de bien pouvait prévoir l’avenir, il coopérerait lui-même à la maladie, à la mort; à la mutilation, parce qu’il aurait conscience qu’en vertu de l’ordre universel, cette tâche lui est assignée. »

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1. Epict., Diss., II, VII, 10.

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Bibliography

 

From:

 

Goldschmidt, Victor. 1953. Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps. Paris: Vrin.

 

 

 

Otherwise:

 

 

Epictetus. 1890. The Discourses of Epictetus, with the Encheridion and Fragments. English translation by George Long. London: George Bell and Sons.

Copied from Perseus:

http://data.perseus.org/texts/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0557.tlg001.perseus-eng1

 

 

Seneca. 2010. Natural Questions. English translation by Harry M. Hine. Chicago: University of Chicago.

 

 

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Goldschmidt (2.1.4.1.38) Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps, “Interprétation par les causes”, summary

 

 

by Corry Shores

 

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[The following is summary. Bracketed commentary is my own, as is any boldface. Proofreading is incomplete, which means typos are present, especially in the quotations. So consult the original text. Also, I welcome corrections to my interpretations, because I am not good enough with French or Greek to make accurate translations of the texts.]

 

 

 

Summary of

 

Victor Goldschmidt

 

Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps

 

Deuxième partie:

Aspects temporels de la morale stoïcienne

 

A

La Connaissance

 

Chapitre IV

L’interprétation des événements

 

1

L’interprétation a l’échelle cosmique

 

2.1.4.1.38

Interprétation par les causes

 

 

 

 

Brief summary:

(2.1.4.1.38.1) When we understand why things happen, namely, for the greater good, then even troubling events become bearable. And with regard to how sometimes bad people obtain good things, we should realize that they paid some moral price for it that we should be glad we are not paying. (2.1.4.1.38.2) We can generalize this notion that whatever happens to us happens for the greater good of the whole to now further say that the same goes for animals and even all inanimate things. For the Stoics, the moral problem is how to actualize this general, natural law, and doing so is what is meant by the precept: “co-operate with Destiny.” (2.1.4.1.38.3) We will next turn to another way that providence refers us back to causality.

 

 

 

 

 

Contents

 

2.1.4.1.38.1

[Providence and Theodicy]

 

2.1.4.1.38.2

[Cooperating with Destiny by Actualizing the Greater Good of the Whole as the Stoic Moral Problem]

 

2.1.4.1.38.3

[Transition to the Next Section on Causality]

 

Bibliography

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary

 

 

2.1.4.1.38

Providentialisme et causalité

 

 

 

2.1.4.1.38.1

[Providence and Theodicy]

 

(p.88-89: “38 Comprendre le pourquoi des choses peut …”)

 

[In sum: When we understand why things happen, namely, for the greater good, then even troubling events become bearable. And with regard to how sometimes bad people obtain good things, we should realize that they paid some moral price for it that we should be glad we are not paying.]

 

To simply understand the causal why of things (see section 2.1.4.1.37.6) can be enough to interpret them in a divination-like way] and thereby to take away from them their shocking and unbearable elements. We often witness how good things can happen to bad people and how bad things can happen to good people. This has raised the problems in philosophy of divine justice and theodicy. For, if bad people obtain good things, we should realize that they had to “sell their soul” [my words] so to speak to obtain them. They had to lose integrity for example. Thus these ill-gotten gains come at a moral price. Here is one Epictetus passage that Goldschmidt cites:

Epictetus, Discourses, Book 3, Ch.17 “On Providence”, here part:

WHEN you make any charge against Providence, consider, and you will learn that the thing has happened according to reason.—Yes, but the unjust man has the advantage.— In what?—In money.—Yes, for he is superior to you in this, that he flatters, is free from shame, and is watchful. What is the wonder? But see if he has the advantage over you in being faithful, in being modest: for you will not find it to be so; but wherein you are superior, there you will find that you have the advantage. And I once said to a man who was vexed because Philostorgus was fortunate: Would you choose to lie with Sura? May it never happen, he replied, that this day should come? Why then are you vexed, if he receives something in return for that which he sells; or how can you consider him happy who acquires those things by such means as you abominate; or what wrong does Providence, if he gives the better things to the better men? Is it not better to be modest than to be rich?—He admitted this—Why are you vexed then, man, when you possess the better thing? Remember then always and have in readiness the truth, that this is a law of nature, that the superior has an ad- vantage over the inferior in that in which he is superior; and you will never be vexed.

(Epictetus 1890, copied from Perseus)

And here is a similar text that is not cited, but quite useful here I find.

Epictetus, Enchiridion, Ch.25:

Has any man been preferred before you at a banquet, or in being saluted, or in being invited to a consultation? If these things are good, you ought to rejoice that he has obtained them: but if bad, be not grieved because you have not obtained them; and remember that you cannot, if you do not the same things in order to obtain what is not in our own power, be considered worthy of the same (equal) things. For how can a man obtain an equal share with another when he does not visit a man's doors as that other man does, when he does not attend him when he goes abroad, as the other man does; when he does not praise (flatter) him as another does? You will be unjust then and insatiable, if you do not part with the price, in return for which those things are sold, and if you wish to obtain them for nothing. Well, what is the price of lettuces? An obolus1 perhaps. If then a man gives up the obolus, and receives the lettuces, and if you do not give up the obolus and do not obtain the lettuces, do not suppose that you receive less than he who has got the lettuces; for as he has the lettuces, so you have the obolus which you did not give. In the same way then in the other matter also you have not been invited to a man's feast, for you did not give to the host the price at which the supper is sold; but he sells it for praise (flattery), he sells it for personal attention. Give then the price, if it is for your interest, for which it is sold. But if you wish both not to give the price and to obtain the things, you are insatiable and silly. Have you nothing then in place of the supper? You have indeed, you have the not flattering of him, whom you did not choose to flatter; you have the not enduring of the man when he enters the room.

1. The sixth part of a drachma.

(Epictetus 1890, copied from Perseus)

[Here is the Goldschmidt quotation:]

38 Comprendre le pourquoi des choses peut, en effet, suffire à les interpréter et, par là, à leur enlever ce qu’elles peuvent avoir de choquant et d’insupportable. On sait que le spectacle de la répartition injuste des biens et des maux entre les bons et les méchants avait amené la spéculation | philosophique, dès ses débuts, au problème de la justice divine et de la théodicée1. Epictète résout ce problème par un simple recours à la causalité ; il est naturel que chacun obtienne ce qu’il poursuit et qu’il reçoive « le prix de ce qu’il vend »: le philosophe, la sagesse, et le méchant, la prospérité2. Ici, comme dans certains textes de Marc-Aurèle3, nous sommes très près de l’explication spinoziste des affections.

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1. Cf. La religion de Platon, pp. 75 sqq.

2. Epictète, Diss., III, XVII; III, IX, 3-4 ; IV, VII, 36-39.

3. « Quand tu te heurtes à l’impudence de quelqu’un, demande-toi aussitôt : Se peut-il qu’il n’y ait pas d’impudents en ce monde ? – Cela ne se peut. Ne demande donc pas l’impossible. Tu as là devant toi un de ces impudents dont l’existence est nécessaire dans le monde... Quand tu reproches à un homme sa déloyauté ou son ingratitude, fais un retour sur toi-même. C’est évidemmen-ta faute, si tu as cru que cet homme, ayant ces dispositions, tiendrait sa pat role, ou encore si, en lui rendant service, tu n’entendais pas le lui rendre et en rester là, si tu n’as pas fait en sorte de retirer aussitôt de ton action même tout son fruit. » (M.-Aurèle, IX, 42, 1, 10-11). – «Celui qui n’admet pas que le méchant commette de fautes ressemble à celui qui n’admettrait pas que le figuier produise son suc dans les figues, que les marmots piaillent, que le cheval hennisse et autres nécessités de cet ordre » (XII, 16, 2). Cf. déjà Chrysippe ap. Aul.-Gell., VII, I (« Est enim genere ipso quasi fatale et consequens, ut mala ingenia peccatis et erroribus non uacent »).

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2.1.4.1.38.2

[Cooperating with Destiny by Actualizing the Greater Good of the Whole as the Stoic Moral Problem]

 

(p.89: “ Cette explication par les causes peut être généralisée …”)

 

[In sum: We can generalize this notion that whatever happens to us happens for the greater good of the whole to now further say that the same goes for animals and even all inanimate things. For the Stoics, the moral problem is how to actualize this general, natural law, and doing so is what is meant by the precept: “co-operate with Destiny.”]

 

[As we saw above in section 2.1.4.1.38.1, we can see that whatever happens to a person is part of a grander sort of divine providential goodness and justice that we cannot often discern.] We can also generalize this principle to all things in the world. The following is from Marcus-Aurelius, Meditations, Book 8, line 46:

46. Nothing can befall a man which is not a natural incident of mankind; nor to an ox, nor to a vine, nor to a stone, which is not a natural incident to these species. If, then, that alone can befall any thing, which is usual, and naturally incident to it, what cause is there for indignation? The presiding nature of the whole hath brought nothing upon you, which you cannot bear?

(Marcus Aurelius 2014: 103)

This notion of natural cause and necessity is a lot like the modern conception of natural law. It is especially so given how the singularity of the event seems to dissolve in the universality of the law. We return to this point later. For now, we observe that for the Stoics, the whole of the moral problem is a matter of the actualization, here and now, of this natural law, and this is what it means for us, as the precept goes, to co-operate with Destiny.

Cette explication par les causes peut être généralisée. « A aucun homme, il ne peut rien arriver qui ne soit un accident humain... Si donc il arrive à chaque être ce qui est conforme à ses habitudes et à sa nature, pourquoi te fâcherais-tu ? La nature universelle n’a rien pu t’apporter qui te soit insupportable4. » Cette explication par la cause naturelle, par la nécessité5, se rapproche beaucoup de la conception moderne de la loi naturelle. Elle s’en rapproche surtout en ce que la singularité de l’événement semble dissoute (plutôt qu’ « expliquée ») dans l’universalité de la loi. Nous reviendrons plus loin sur ce point. Disons, pour l’instant, que tout le problème moral, pour le stoïcisme, consiste à actualiser, hic et nunc, cette loi, et c’est là ce que signifie le précepte nous enjoignant de coopérer avec le Destin.

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4. M.-Aurèle, VIII, 46.

5. Epict., Diss., IV, X, II; II, V, 27.

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2.1.4.1.38.3

[Transition to the Next Section on Causality]

 

(p.89: “Nous avons considéré, jusqu’ici, l’explication …”)

 

[In sum: We turn now to another way that providence refers us back to causality.]

 

So far we have considered the explanation of the facts that occur. As well, there is an interpretation for that facts that will occur in the future. We are now going to see yet again that the idea of providence refers us back to the idea of causality.

Nous avons considéré, jusqu’ici, l’explication des faits qui se produisent. Il y a une interprétation également pour les faits qui se produiront. Nous allons voir que, là encore, l’idée de providence nous renvoie à celle de causalité.

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Bibliography

 

From:

 

Goldschmidt, Victor. 1953. Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps. Paris: Vrin.

 

 

 

Otherwise:

 

 

Epictetus. 1890. The Discourses of Epictetus, with the Encheridion and Fragments. English translation by George Long. London: George Bell and Sons.

Copied from Perseus:

http://data.perseus.org/texts/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0557.tlg001.perseus-eng1

 

Marcus Aurelius. 2014. Meditations of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. Translated by Hutcheson, Francis and Moor, James. Indianapolis: Liberty Fund.

Text copied from:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/antoninus-the-meditations-of-the-emperor-marcus-aurelius-antoninus-2008/simple

 

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Goldschmidt (2.1.4.1.37) Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps, “Interprétation finaliste”, summary

 

by Corry Shores

 

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[The following is summary. Bracketed commentary is my own, as is any boldface. Proofreading is incomplete, which means typos are present, especially in the quotations. So consult the original text. Also, I welcome corrections to my interpretations, because I am not good enough with French or Greek to make accurate translations of the texts.]

 

 

 

Summary of

 

Victor Goldschmidt

 

Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps

 

Deuxième partie:

Aspects temporels de la morale stoïcienne

 

A

La Connaissance

 

Chapitre IV

L’interprétation des événements

 

1

L’interprétation a l’échelle cosmique

 

2.1.4.1.37

Interprétation finaliste

 

 

 

 

Brief summary:

(2.1.4.1.37.1) We are here concerned with divination as it is applied to human life and as it is something that confers moral significance. [And as we will see, this concern will take us away from the notion of divination and more toward moral actions in the present.] (2.1.4.1.37.2) The Stoics seem to want two incompatible things. On the one hand they want providence, which is like final causality and thus which seems to suggest strict causal determinism, but they also want there to be some moral significance in the present, which would seem to call for an indeterminate element where moral choice comes into play. (2.1.4.1.37.3) We might also want to think of this far-fetched and anthropocentric sort of finalism according to which all past and future events can be divined as not really being absolutely central to the Stoic system. (2.1.4.1.37.4) And given the difficulties that the Stoic’s teleological notion of providence presents, we are encouraged to understand the philosophy of time without such an emphasis on it. (2.1.4.1.37.5) But in fact, to understand the Stoics, we must keep their notion of providence but not the radical notions of divination and finality. The more important idea here is the moral one, and not the physical one. Providence for the Stoics was a matter of all things working together for the good of the whole. Sometimes on the individual level we see how the good that happens to us serves that greater good as well. But when bad happens to us, we should see that it is still good rendered to the whole. Thus the Stoic notion of providence is more a matter of how we temper our desires and expectations in order to correspond to divine providence, as understood in this more indirect, vague,  or implicit way. (2.1.4.1.37.6) So under this other view, we still affirm providence, but we also acknowledge that we can only know the general ends of particular events, and we cannot know the specific ends in terms of the precise role they play in attaining that greater good. However, with this broader sense of the whole in mind, we can still look to the causes of events [which is perhaps the closest equivalent to “divination” that we will find in the Stoics.]

 

 

 

 

 

Contents

 

2.1.4.1.37.1

[Divination and the Present Event]

 

2.1.4.1.37.2

[Providence, Final Causality, and the Morality of the Present]

 

2.1.4.1.37.3

[The Non-Centrality of Providence in Stoic Philosophy]

 

2.1.4.1.37.4

[Non-Teleological Emphasis in the Stoic Philosophy of Time]

 

2.1.4.1.37.5

[Providence, Morality, and the Good of the Whole]

 

2.1.4.1.37.6

[Providence without Divination. Knowledge of Particular Causes without Knowledge of Particular Ends]

 

Bibliography

 

 

 

 

 

 

Summary

 

 

2.1.4.1.37

Interprétation finaliste

 

 

2.1.4.1.37.1

[Divination and the Present Event]

 

(p.85-86: “37 Nous n’avons pas à envisager ici cette interprétation …”)

 

[In sum: We are concerned with divination as it is applied to human life and as it is something that confers moral significance.]

 

We here are concerned neither with the divinatory interpretation in its entirety nor with its different techniques, which vary according to the objects involved in the interpretation. We are simply interested here in the possibilities and limits of this divinatory interpretation of present-event signs, insofar as it is applied to the events of human life and insofar as they are confer a moral significance. So let us turn now to the way the Stoics understood providence, which is a finalist interpretation.

37 Nous n’avons pas à envisager ici cette interprétation dans son ensemble, ni dans ses différentes techniques qui varient selon les objets étudiés. Seules, nous intéressent ici les possibilités et les limites de cette interprétation, appli- | quée aux événements de la vie humaine et chargée de conférer à ceux-ci une signification morale. Considérons d’abord l’usage fait de l’idée de providence, c’est-à-dire l’interprétation finaliste.

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2.1.4.1.37.2

[Providence, Final Causality, and the Morality of the Present]

 

(p.86: “On sait que l’explication des choses …”)

 

[In sum: The Stoics want providence, which is like final causality and thus which seems to suggest strict causal determinism, but they also want there to be some moral significance in the present, which would seem to call for an indeterminate element where moral choice comes into play.]

 

In our times, the idea that we can explain events on the basis of finality (final causes) is not taken too serious [on account of the predominance of efficient causality in our modern, scientific view.] And we must also recognize that in fact this was the view of the Stoics. [See the text for the next idea. It might be that since the Stoics have both providence (which guides the course of events) and an interest in the present (which they would like to see have some greater significance in its presence than just being a causally determined event, maybe even as having a moral significance where we must make moral choices that are not causally predetermined for us), they have a problematic sort of finality.]

On sait que l’explication des choses et des événements par la finalité a été poussée, au jugement des modernes, jusqu’au ridicule. Sur ce point, il faut bien dire que le système du Portique devra plaider coupable. L’affirmation de la providence universelle, d’une part, le goût du concret, d’autre part, devaient conduire, dans l’explication des choses, à un finalisme intempérent ; il faudra, pour reprendre l’idée de Collingwood, la méthode mathématique, pour que les savants de la Renaissance puissent résoudre (d’une certaine manière) le même problème, à partir du même « présupposé ».

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2.1.4.1.37.3

[The Non-Centrality of Providence in Stoic Philosophy]

 

(p.86: “ Cela dit, on peut penser que ce finalisme …”)

 

[In sum: We might also want to think of this far-fetched and anthropocentric sort of finalism as not really being absolutely central to the Stoic system.]

 

[But we can also think of this anthropocentric and far-fetched sort of finality as lying outside the system. Where it does come into play is theodicy discussions when adversaries demand a detailed account of providence and also when dealing with matters of popular belief, likes dreams, horoscopes, and divinations. And finally we see it in matters of state religion.]

Cela dit, on peut penser que ce finalisme outrancier et, surtout, anthropocentrique (non dans son principe sans doute, mais dans ses applications de détail), demeure quelque peu extérieur au système. Il intervient dans la théodicée1, c’est-à-dire dans la discussion avec les adversaires qui exigeaient des comptes détaillés du principe général de la providence. Il intervient aussi, par suite d’un souci, courant alors, de vulgarisation et presque de propagande, dans l’interprétation des croyances populaires (songes, horoscope, divination)2. Ila encore sa place dans la justification des différentes pratiques de la « religion d’Etat »; il sert souvent de méthode à ce que Varron appelle la theologia ciuilis3.

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1. Cf. E. Bréhier, Chrysippe, p. 205.

2. Cf. aussi M.-Aurèle, IX, 27, 3 : « Les dieux eux-mêmes viennent en aide (aux méchants) de mille manières, par des songes, des oracles, et justement pour leur faire obtenir les objets en vue desquels ils se tourmentent » (et qui ne tourmentent précisément pas le sage) ; cf. IX, II, 2.

3 Varron, ap. St Aug., Cité de Dieu, VI, V (cf. IV, XXVII) ; cf. Aetius, I, 6, 9 (Dox. Gr., 295) ; des exposés détaillés chez Cicéron, p. ex. de nat. deor., II, LXVI, 165; de diu., I, passim.

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2.1.4.1.37.4

[Non-Teleological Emphasis in the Stoic Philosophy of Time]

 

(p.86: “« Il est évident », a-t -on dit, …”)

 

[In sum: Given the difficulties that the Stoic’s teleological notion of providence presents, we are encouraged to understand the philosophy of time without such an emphasis on it.]

 

[So, as Bréhier notes, the Stoic notion of teleology raises difficulties. And we may rather find that to understand the Stoic notion of time, we would not place such importance on the teleological notion of providence. (Please check the text to be sure.)]

« Il est évident », a-t-on dit, « que cette conception téléologique devait, dans le détail des faits, se montrer pleine de difficultés »4. Aussi l’interprétation propose-t-elle parfois d’autres réponses dont on peut penser, tout ensemble, qu’elles renoncent à cette conception téléologique et qu’elles tiennent plus près au système.

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4. E. Bréhier, Chrysippe, p.204.

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2.1.4.1.37.5

[Providence, Morality, and the Good of the Whole]

 

(p.86-88: “« Il est évident », a-t -on dit, …”)

 

[In sum: But in fact, to understand the Stoics, we must keep their notion of providence but not the notion of divination. The more important idea here is the moral one, and not the physical one. Providence for the Stoics was a matter of all things working together for the good of the whole. Sometimes on the individual level we see how the good that happens to us serves that greater good as well. But when bad happens to us, we should see that it is still good rendered to the whole. Thus the Stoic notion of providence is more a matter of how we temper our desires and expectations.]

 

[Nonetheless, the Stoics never abandon the principle of providence. And in fact, it is still rigorously applied in their system. (What we have in mind is to reject this interpretation of providential finality but not its application. ((I am not sure if we are talking about event-interpretation or an interpretation of the Stoic philosophy. The idea here might even be that we keep providence without the notion that humans can divine anything and everything about the future.)) We then note the following two things.{1} By suspending our interest in the individual and in the whole, we obtain an anthropocentric finalism. For the world is made of gods and men and it is designed to serve their interests. ((I am going to get the next idea wrong, so please consult the text. It might be the following, if I may please make a guess, which will be based on things I came across in Marcus Aurelius. We have providence in the sense that all things are designed for gods and men. This is something we can know and discover by looking at nature. But often times things in the world do not go according to our best interests. When this happens, we find that we are unable to see how the current bad event ultimately works in our advantage. At such times, we cannot relate the event in terms of some finality, at least not one that fits our notion of divine providence, which has some final good in mind. However, we can in these instances see that whatever bad is happening to us is part of the providential benefit of the whole. So by refusing divinatory interpretation, we do not question providence, we simply call into question our personal preferences that are ignorant of the good of the greater whole. Thus this rejection of divinationism is bound up with the purification of the passions and the asceticism of our desires; for, we should learn not to desire things which are not for the greater good, and in fact we should even desire the bad things that happen to us, since they are for the greater good. Here are some passages from Marcus Aurelius that speak to this notion:

Marcus Aurelius, Meditations (copied from the Hutchenson and Moor translation at Online Library of Liberty):

6.1. The matter of the universe is obedient, and easily changed: the intelligence, which governs it, has no cause in itself, of doing evil to any. It has no malice; nor can it do any thing maliciously; nor is any one hurt by it. It is the cause of all that happens, as it executes all things.

4.40. Consider always this universe as one living being or animal; with one material substance, and one spirit; and how all things are referred to the sense of this spirit; and how it’s will accomplishes all things, and how the whole concurs to the production of every thing; and what a connexion and contexture there is among all things.

6.38. Consider frequently the connexion of all things in the universe, and the relation they bear to each other. All things are, as it were, entangled with each other, and are, therefore, mutually friendly. This is a natural consequence, or, in a natural series, with the other; either by connexion of place, or mutual conspiring to the same end, or by continuity of substance.

7.9. All things are linked with each other, and bound together with a sacred bond: Scarce is there one thing quite foreign to another. They are all arranged together in their proper places, and jointly adorn the same world. There is one orderly graceful disposition of the whole. There is one God in the whole. There is one substance, one law, and one reason common to all intelligent beings, and one truth; as there must be one sort of perfection to all beings, who are of the same nature, and partake of the same rational power.

4.45. Things subsequent are naturally connected with those which preceeded: They are not as numbers of things independent of each other, yet necessarily succeeding; but they are in a regular connexion. And as things now existing are joined together in the most apposite contexture; so, those which ensue, have not barely a necessary succession, but a wonderful suitableness and affinity to what preceeded.

2.3. Whatever the Gods ordain, is full of wise providence. What we ascribe to fortune, happens not without a presiding nature, nor without a connexion and intertexture with the things ordered by providence. Thence all things flow. Consider, too, the necessity of these events; and their utility to that whole universe of which you are a part. In every regular structure, that must always be good to a part, which the nature of the whole requires, and which tends to preserve it.

4.42. There is no evil befalls the things which suffer a change; nor any good in arising into being from a change.

4.43. Time is a river, or violent torrent of things coming into being; each one, as soon as it has appeared, is swept off and disappears, and is succeeded by another, which is swept away in its turn.

4.44. Whatever happens, is as natural, and customary, and known, as a rose in the spring, or fruit in summer. Such are diseases, deaths, calumnies, treacheries, and all which gives fools either joy or sorrow.

7.10. Every thing material shall soon vanish, and be swallowed up in the matter of the whole. Every active principle shall soon be resumed into the intelligence and cause of the whole. And the memory of every thing shall soon be buried in eternity.

2.14.If thou shouldst live three thousand years, or as many myriads, yet remember this, that no man loses any other life than that he now lives; and that he now lives no other life than what he is parting with, every instant. The longest life, and the shortest, come to one effect: since the present time is equal to all, what is lost or parted with is equal to all. And for the same reason, what is parted with, is only a moment. No man at death parts with, or, is deprived of, what is either past or future. For how can one take from a man what he hath not? We should also remember these things, first, That all things which have happened in the continued revolutions from eternity, are of the same kind with what we behold: And ‘tis of little consequence, whether a man beholds the same things for an hundred years, or an infinite duration. Again that the longest and the shortest lives have an equal loss at Death. The present moment is all which either is deprived of, since that is all he has. A man cannot part with what he has not.

5.23. Consider frequently, how swiftly all things which exist, or arise, are swept away, and carried off. Their substance is as a river in a perpetual course. Their actions are in perpetual changes, and the causes subject to ten thousand alterations. Scarce any thing is stable. And the vast eternities, past and ensuing, are close upon it on both hands; in which all things are swallowed up. Must he not, then, be a fool, who is either puffed up with success in such things; or is distracted, and full of complaints about the contrary; as if it could give disturbance of any duration?

6.4. All things now existing shall speedily be changed, either by exhaling and rarifying, if all be one substance; or be dissolved and dispersed into the several elements.

7.25. All things you behold, shall the nature presiding in the universe change; and out of their substance make other things; and others, again, out of theirs; that the universe may be always new.

7.18. Does one dread a change? What can arise without changes? What is more acceptable or more usual to the nature of the whole? Can you warm your bagnio, unless wood undergoes a change? Can you be nourished, unless your food is changed? Or, can any thing useful be accomplished, without changes? Don’t you see, then, that your undergoing a change, too, may be equally necessary to the nature of the whole?

7.32. Concerning death. ‘Tis either a dispersion, or atoms, a vanishing, an extinction, or a translation to another state.

4.14. You have arisen as a part in the universe, you shall disappear again, returning into your source; or, rather, by a change shall be resumed again, into that productive intelligence from whence you came.

4.21. If the animal souls remain after death, how hath the aether contained them from eternity? How doth the earth contain so many bodies buried, during so long a time? As in this case the bodies, after remaining a while in the earth, are dissipated and changed, to make room for other bodies, so the animal souls removed to the air, after they have remained some time, are changed, diffused, rekindled, and resumed into the original productive spirit, and give place to others in like manner to cohabit with them. This may be answered, upon supposition that the souls survive their bodies. We may consider, beside the human bodies which are buried, the bodies of so many beasts, which we and other animals feed on. What a multitude of them is thus consumed, and buried in the bodies of those who feed on them, and yet the same places still afford room, by the changes into blood, air and fire. The true account of all these things is by distinguishing between the material, and the active or efficient principle.

2.9. Remember these things always: what the nature of the universe is: what thine own nature: and how related to the universe: What sort of part thou art, and of what sort of whole: and that no man can hinder thee to act and speak what is agreeable to that whole, of which thou art a part.

8.54. Don’t content yourself in merely corresponding with the surrounding air, by breathing in it; but correspond in sentiment with that intelligence which surrounds all things. For, this intelligence diffuses itself to all, and advances toward all those who can draw it in, no less than the air does to such as can receive it into themselves by breathing.

10.17. Frequently represent to your imagination a view of the whole of time, and the whole of substance: And that every individual thing is, in substance, as a grain of millet; and, in duration, as a turn of a wimble.

6.41. Whenever you imagine, any of these things which are not in your power, are good or evil to you; if you fall into such imagined evils, or are disappointed of such goods, you must necessarily accuse the Gods, and hate those men, who, you deem, were the causes, or suspect will be causes of such misfortunes. Our solicitude about such things leads to a great deal of injustice. But, if we judge only the things in our power, to be good or evil, there remains no further cause of accusing the Gods, or of any hostile disposition against men.

5.1. When you find yourself, in a morning, averse to rise, have this thought at hand: I arise to the proper business of a man: And shall I be averse to set about that work for which I was born, and for which I was brought into the universe? Have I this constitution and furniture of soul granted me by nature, that I may lye among bed-cloaths and keep my self warm? But, say you, This state is the pleasanter. Were you then formed for pleasure, and not at all for action, and exercising your powers? Don’t you behold the vegetables, the little sparrows, the ants, the spiders, the bees, each of them adorning, on their part, this comely world, as far as their powers can go? And will you decline to act your part as a man for this purpose? Won’t you run to that which suits your nature? But, say you, must we not take rest? You must: but nature appoints a measure to it, as it has to eating and drinking. In rest you are going beyond these measures; beyond what is sufficient: but in action, you have not come up to the measure; you are far within the bounds of your power: you don’t then love yourself; otherwise, you would have loved your own nature, and its proper will or purpose. Other artificers, who love their respective arts, can even emaciate themselves by their several labours, without due refreshments of bathing or food: but you honour your nature and its purpose much less than the Turner does his art of turning, or the dancer does his art, the covetous man his wealth, or the vain man his applause. All these when struck with their several objects, don’t more desire to eat or sleep, than to improve in what they are fond of. And do social affectionate actions appear to you meaner, and deserving less diligence and application?

7.45. Whatever happens to any one, is profitable to the whole. This is enough. But, if you attend, you will see this also holds universally; that, what happens to any one man, is profitable also to others. Let the word profitable be taken, here, in a more popular sense, to relate to things indifferent.

8.50. Is the cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there thorns in the way? Walk aside. That is enough. Don’t be adding; “Why were such things in the universe?” A naturalist would laugh at you, as would a carpenter, too, or a shoe-maker, if you were finding fault, because shavings and parings of their Works are lying about in their work-houses. These artificers have places too without their work-shops, where they can throw these superfluities. But the nature of the whole has no external place for this purpose: And herein its art is wonderful, that, having circumscribed itself within certain bounds, all within it which seems corrupting, waxing old, or useless, it transforms into itself, and, out of them, makes other new forms; so as neither to need matter from without, nor want a place where to cast out its superfluities. ‘Tis satisfied with its own substance, its own space, and its own art.

7.56. Consider your life as now finished and past. What little surplus there is beyond expectation, spend it according to nature.

8.17. If this matter is in your own power, Why do you act thus? If it is not, whom do you accuse? It must either be the a-toms, or the Gods. To accuse either is a piece of madness. There is nothing therefore to be accused or blamed. Correct the matter, if you can. If not, to what purpose complain? Now, nothing should be done to no purpose.

4.34. Resign yourself willingly to your destiny, allowing it to involve you in what matters it pleases.

10.5. Whatever happens to you, it was before preparing for you from eternity; and the concatenation of causes had, from eternity, interwoven your subsistence with this contingency.

11.33. ‘Tis madness to expect figs in winter; so it is, to expect to retain a child, when [fate] allows it not.

11.34. Epictetus advises that when a father is fondly kissing his child, he should say within himself, “he is, perhaps, to die tomorrow.” Words of bad omen, say you. Nothing is of bad omen, says he, which intimates any of the common works of nature. Is it of bad omen, to say corn must be reaped in harvest?

7.57. Love and desire that alone which happens to you, and is destined by providence for you; for, what can be more suitable?

5.27. Don’t let your thoughts dwell upon what you want, so much, as, upon what you have. And consider the things you enjoy, which are dearest to you; how earnestly and anxiously you would desire them, if you wanted them: And yet be on your guard; lest, by your delighting in the enjoyment of such things, you enure yourself to value them too much; so that if you should lose them, you would be much disturbed.

10.18. Consider, with attention, each of the things around you as already dissolving, and in a state of change, and, as it were, corruption, or dissipation; or, as each formed by nature such as to die.

4.48. Consider frequently how many physicians, who had often knit their brows on discovering the prognostics of death in their patients, have at last yielded to death themselves: And how many astrologers, after foretelling the deaths of others, with great ostentation of their art; and how many philosophers, after they had made many long dissertations upon death and immortality; how many warriors, after they had slaughtered multitudes; how many tyrants, after they had exercised their power of life and death with horrid pride, as if they had been immortal; nay, how many whole cities, if I may so speak, are dead: Helice, Pompeij, Herculanum, and others innumerable. Then run over those whom, in a series, you have known, one taking care of the funeral of another, and then buried by a third, and all this in a short time. And, in general, all human affairs are mean, and but for a day. What yesterday was a trifling embryo, to morrow shall be an embalmed carcase, or ashes. Pass this short moment of time according to nature, and depart contentedly; as the full ripe olive falls of its own accord, applauding the earth whence it sprung, and thankful to the tree that bore it.

8.6. ‘Tis the constant business of the universal nature, to be transferring what is now here, into another place; to be changing things, and carrying them hence, and placing them elsewhere. All are changes; all are customary; you need not fear any thing new. All are subjected to the same law.

8.16. Remember, it equally becomes a man truly free, to change his course, of himself, when he thinks fit, and to follow the advice of another who suggests better measures; for this is also your own action, accomplished according to your own desire, and judgment, and understanding.

9.19. All things are in a state of change; and you are yourself under continual transmutation; and, in some respect, corruption: and so is the whole universe.

10.7. The parts of the whole, all the parts, I mean, which the universe contains, must needs be in a state of corruption. Let this expression be used for denoting a state of change. If then, I say, this be both evil and necessary to them, the whole cannot possibly be in a right state; since the parts are prone to change, and remarkably form’d for corrupting.—For, whether did nature herself take in hand to do evil to the parts of herself, and to make them both subject to fall into evil, and such as of necessity have fallen into evil? Or has this happened without her knowledge?—Both these are equally incredible.—And if one, quitting the notion of a [presiding] nature, mean only that things are so constituted; how ridiculous! to say, the parts of the whole, by their very constitution, tend to change; and yet be surpris’d, or fretted, at any thing, as happening contrary to the nature of things: especially, too, as the dissolution of every thing is into those very elements of which it is compos’d. For it is either a dissipation of those elements of which it was a mixture; or a conversion of them: of the solid to the earthy, and the spirituous to the aerial. So that these too are taken into the plan of the whole, which is either to undergo periodical conflagrations, or be renewed by perpetual changes. And don’t think you had all the earthy and the aerial parts from your birth. They were late accessions of yesterday or the day before, by your food, and the air you breathed. These accessions, therefore, are changed, and not what your mother bore. Grant that this their change into the peculiar nature of your body makes you cling earnestly to them, it alters nothing of what I was just now saying.

4.49. Stand firm like a promontory, upon which the waves are always breaking. It not only keeps its place, but stills the fury of the waves. [Wretched am I, says one, that this has befallen me. Nay, say you, happy I, who, tho’ this has befallen me, can still remain without sorrow, neither broken by the present, nor dreading the future. The like might have befallen any one; but every one could not have remained thus undejected. Why should the event be called a misfortune, rather than this strength of mind a felicity? But, can you call that a misfortune, to a man, which does not frustrate the intention of his nature? Can that frustrate the intention of it, or hinder it to attain its end, which is not contrary to the will or purpose of his nature; What is this will or purpose? Sure you have learned it. Doth this event hinder you to be just, magnanimous, temperate, prudent, cautious of rash assent, free from error, possessed of a sense of honour and modesty, and of true liberty; or from meriting those other characters, which whoever enjoys, hath all his nature requires, as its proper perfection? And then, upon every occasion of sorrow, remember the maxim, that this event is not a misfortune, but the bearing it courageously is a great felicity.]

5.8. As, when ‘tis said, that, Aesculapius1 hath prescribed to one a course of riding, or the cold bath, or walking bare-footed; so it may be said, that the nature presiding in the whole, hath prescribed to one a disease, a maim, a loss of a child, or such like. The word “prescribed,” in the former case, imports that he enjoined it as conducing to health; and in the latter too, whatever befalls any one, is appointed as conducive to the purposes of fate or providence. Our very word for happening to one, is, to go together appositely, as the squared stones in walls or pyramids, are said by the workmen, to fall or join together, and suit each other in a certain position. Now, there is one grand harmonious composition of all things; and as the regular universe is formed such a complete whole of all the particular bodies, so the universal destiny or fate of the whole, is made a complete cause out of all the particular causes. The very vulgar understand what I say. They tell you, “fate ordered this event for such a one, and this was prescribed or appointed for him.” Let us understand this even as when we say, “the physician has ordered such things for the patient”: for, he prescribes many harsh disagreeable things; which, yet, we embrace willingly, for the sake of health. Conceive, then, the accomplishing and completing the purposes of the universal nature, to be in the universe, what your health is to you, and thus embrace whatever happens, altho’ it should appear harsh and disagreeable: because it tends to the health of the universe, to the prosperity and felicity of Jupiter in his administration. He never had permitted this event, had it not conduced to good. We see not any particular nature aiming at or admitting what does not suit the little private system, in which it presides. Should you not on these two accounts embrace and delight in what ever befalls you; one is, that it was formed, and prescribed, and adapted for you, and destined originally by the most venerable causes; the other, that it is subservient to the prosperity, and complete administration of that mind, which governs the whole; nay, by Jupiter! to the stability and permanence of the whole. For, the whole would be maimed and imperfect, if you broke off any part of this continued connexion, either of parts or causes. Now, you break this off, and destroy it, as far as you can, when you repine at any thing which happens.

8.36. Don’t confound yourself, by considering the whole of your future life; and by dwelling upon the multitude, and greatness of the pains or troubles, to which you may probably be exposed. But ask yourself about such as are present, is there any thing intolerable and unsufferable in them? You’ll be ashamed to own it. And, then, recollect, that it is neither what is past, nor what is future, which can oppress you; ‘tis only what is present. And this will be much diminished, if you circumscribe or consider it by itself; and chide your own mind, if it cannot bear up against this one thing thus alone.

8.22. Attend well to what is at present before you; whether it be a maxim, an action, or a speech. ‘Tis just you should suffer, because you neglect your present business; and would rather become a good man to morrow, than to day.

7.8. Be not disturbed about futurity: You shall come to encounter with future events, possessed of the same reason you now employ in your present affairs.

(Marcus Aurelius 2014. Texts copied from Online Library of Liberty)

Here is the Goldschmidt quotation:]

Le principe même de la providence n’est jamais abandonné. [86|87] Mais il s’adjoint celui de « l’intérêt du tout ». Par là, on restreint et même, semble-t-il, on suspend les explications de détail ; en ce sens, le principe de la providence l’emporte sur ses applications concrètes1. Mais il faut bien voir que, non seulement ce principe même demeure sans faille, mais encore il continue à s’appliquer dans toute sa rigueur 2. Ce à quoi l’on renonce, ce n’est pas à affirmer cette application, c’est à l’interpréter. Dans ce refus d’interprétation, deux points sont remarquables. Tout d’abord, en suspendant l’intérêt individuel (que nous croyons comprendre, mais qui ne se réalise pas toujours) à l’intérêt du tout (qui se réalise, mais que nous ne comprenons pas toujours)3, on atteint dans [87|88] son principe même le finalisme anthropocentrique. Il est bien vrai que le monde est « le système composé des dieux et des hommes, et des choses qui se produisent dans l’intérêt de ceux-ci »1; « le monde a été fait dans l’intérêt des dieux et des hommes, et toutes les choses qu’il contient, sont préparées et conçues à l’usage des hommes »2. Dans la mesure où cette intention bienveillante des dieux se manifeste dans des institutions générales, elle nous est pleinement pénétrable ; des plantes et des bêtes, nous sommes visiblement « les propriétaires légitimes »3. Mais quand il faut rapporter à nous tel événement précis, qui trompe notre espoir et contredit nos désirs, sa finalité nous échappe, et l’interprétation ne peut invoquer, avec le principe général de la providence, que l’intérêt du tout. Dans ce refus d’interpréter, il y a, non pas un doute sur la providence, mais une critique à l’égard de nos préférences personnelles et, l’événement vient d’en faire la preuve, ignorantes. Aussi cette critique a-t-elle pour contre-partie la purification des passions et l’ascèse des désirs4.

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1. Id., ibid., 207 (sur la providence et les maux; cf. surtout Aulu-Gelle, VII, 1, S.V.F., II, 117o) : « Il n’y a pas là le moindre dualisme ; il y a seulement, avec le principe de la prévalence des vues d’ensemble sur les détails, une espèce de casuistique de la volonté créatrice, fondée sur ce principe. »

2. Cela résulte déjà de l’identification du Destin avec la Providence. Même les 1naux sont voulus par celle-ci: les « maux ne sont pas précisément une nécessité extérieure à laquelle se plie la volonté divine » (comme, p. ex., le Démiurge du Timée), « ils ne sont pas contre nature : ils sont voulus par elle, en même temps que l’ensemble » (Bréhier, Chrysippe, p. 207). – Si certains textes mettent l’accent sur l’intérêt général, ils montrent en même temps comment celui-ci pénètre et justifie les événements particuliers : « Si les dieux ont délibéré sur moi et sur ce qui devait m’arriver, ils ont bien délibéré, car un dieu qui ne délibérerait pas, ce n’est même pas facile à concevoir... Que s’ils n’ont pas délibéré sur moi en particulier, de toute façon ils ont délibéré sur l’intérêt général, et, comme ce qui m’arrive en est aussi une conséquence, je dois bien l’accueillir et m’en déclarer satisfait » (M.-Aurèle, VI, 44, 3) ; faut-il rendre Zeus responsable, si sa foudre frappe l’innocent ? « Fulmina non mittia Ioue, sed sic omnia esse disposita ut etiam quae ab illo non fiunt tamen sine ratione non fiant, quae illius est. Na1n etiamsi Iupiter illa nunc non facit, Iupiter fecit ut fierent. Singulis non adest ad omne, sed manmn et uim et causam omnibus dedit » (Sénèque, Quest. Nat., II, XLVI). On voit comment, de l’affirmation de l’intérêt général, on pouvait glisser vers la concession : « Ne in regnis quidem reges omnia minima curant » (p. 85, n. I). Mais de même qu’un seul événement se produisant sans cause, romprait, avec l’enchaînement du destin, l’unité du monde (p. 83, n. 8), de même aucune contingence ne peut s’introduire dans l’ordre de la providei1ce. (Selon Chrysippe, οὐδὲ τοὐλάχιστόν ἔστι τῶν μερῶν ἔχειν ἄλλως ἢ κατὰ τὴν Διὸς βούλησιν. Plut., de comm. not., 34, 1076 e = S.V.F., II, 937.) Par où l’on voit déjà (cf. la suite de notre texte) comment la causalité prévaut sur la finalité; c’est tout ensemble au destin et à la providence, que s’appliquerait cette phrase de Bergson sur la « philosophie mécanistique » : « Il faudrait la laisser, si le plus petit grain de poussière, en déviant de la trajectoire prévue par la mécanique, manifestait la plus légère trace de spontanéité » (Evol. Créatr., p. 43).

3. Cf. Epictète, Diss., II, V, 25 : « Qu’es-tu ? Un homme. Si tu te considères comme un membre isolé, il est selon la nature de viv1e jusqu’à un âge avancé, de s’enrichir, de se bien porter. Mais si tu te considères comme un homme et comme partie d’un certain tout, c’est dans l’intérêt de ce tout que tu dois tantôt subir la maladie, tantôt entreprendre une traversée et courir des risques, tantôt supporter la pauvreté et parfois même mourir avant l’heure » ; et le texte de Chrysippe, cité ibid., II, VII, 9-10 : « Tant que les conséquences restent pour moi obscures, je m’attache toujours à ce qui est plus apte à me procurer les biens conformes à la nature, car Dieu même, en me créant, m’en a laissé le libre choix. Mais si je savais vraiment que la maladie a été décrétée pour moi maintenant par le Destin, c’est avec la même ferveur que je l’accepterais. »

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1. Diog. Laërt., VII, 138.

2. Cic., de nat. deor., II, LXII, 154.

3. Id., ibid., II, LXIII, 157.

4. C’est ce qu’Eplctète appelle le premier thème philosophique (p. ex. Diss., I, IV, II; III, II; III, XII).

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2.1.4.1.37.6

[Providence without Divination. Knowledge of Particular Causes without Knowledge of Particular Ends]

 

(p.88: “ En second lieu, si l’on renonce à interpréter la providence …”)

 

[In sum: So under this view, we still affirm providence, but we also acknowledge that we can only know the general ends of particular events but not the specific ends, in terms of the precise role they play in attaining that greater good. However, with this in mind, we can still look to the causes of events.]

 

[The second thing we note is that if we renounce the interpretation of providence (possibly, if we no longer see providence as something completely divinable) then we continue still to affirm providence while still being unable to fully understand any specific event in terms of all that is involved in it. The event here bears the sign of its finality (maybe, its service to the good of the whole, or at least the particular role it plays in the larger picture), which is precisely why it had to happen. And if we are unable to see what that specific end is, at least we can know its cause. (This previous point is important but I did not catch it. It might be the following. We do not know how exactly an event plays a role in the greater good, but we know that the reason what happened before it was to bring about this event, also for the greater good. Or, we simply just see the efficient causality of some event, while we do not see the final end, even though we can believe it to be the greater good.) Thus the concealed finality refers us back to causality.]

En second lieu, si l’on renonce à interpréter la providence, on n’en continue pas moins à l’affirmer, et cela au sujet de cet événement précisément, qu’on ne parvient pas à comprendre. L’événement, ici, porte en lui-même le signe de sa finalité, en ceci seul qu’il arrive. Et si nous ignorons en vue de quelle fin (pourtant certaine) il se produit, au moins en connaissons-nous, souvent5, la cause. La finalité cachée nous renvoie ainsi à la causalité.

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5. Sauf dans le cas du prétendu hasard (τύχη) qui doit se comprendre comme une αἰτία ἀπρονόητος καὶ ἄδηλος ἀνθρωπίνῳ λογισμῷ (Plut., de fato, 7, 572 a ; cf. Aëtius, I, 29, 7, Dox. Gr., p. 326= S.V.F., II, 966). – Cette définition qui remonte sans doute à Anaxagore ou à Démocrite (Aëtius, loc. cit. ; Vors6., 59 (46), A, 66; 68 (55), A, 70) est déjà mentionnée par Aristote, Phys., B, 4, 196 b 5.

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Bibliography

 

From:

 

Goldschmidt, Victor. 1953. Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps. Paris: Vrin.

 

 

 

Otherwise:

 

Marcus Aurelius. 2014. Meditations of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus. Translated by Hutcheson, Francis and Moor, James. Indianapolis: Liberty Fund.

Text copied from:

http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/antoninus-the-meditations-of-the-emperor-marcus-aurelius-antoninus-2008/simple

 

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31 Jan 2018

Goldschmidt (2.1.4.1.34) Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps, “Divination et connaissance dans le présent, 1”, summary

 

by Corry Shores

 

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Summary of

 

Victor Goldschmidt

 

Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps

 

Deuxième partie:

Aspects temporels de la morale stoïcienne

 

A

La Connaissance

 

Chapitre IV

L’interprétation des événements

 

I

L’interprétation a l’échelle cosmique

 

2.1.4.1.34

Divination et connaissance dans le présent, 1

 

 

 

 

Brief summary:

(2.1.4.1.34.1) The events of the world happen by causal necessity and are guided by God’s wisdom. This means that to interpret an event is to understand its place in a series of rationally ordered events that unravel in this ordered way. The practice of divination may not involve actually knowing the causes, but it can still operate by recognizing the signs of causes. (2.1.4.1.34.2) The image of the uncoiling of a rope that Cicero gives when describing an ordered time that can be divined is not about the (metrical or qualitative) homogeneity of time (like the geometrical “time-line”) but is rather about the idea that all events are from the beginning found together and that the temporal succession only deploys an initially given set.

 

 

 

 

 

Contents

 

2.1.4.1.34.1

[The Unraveling of Providential Destiny’s Coil and the Interpretation of Its Events through Divination]

 

2.1.4.1.34.2

[The Togetherness of Moments in the Coil of Time]

 

 

 

 

 

Summary

 

 

2.1.4.1.34.1

[The Unraveling of Providential Destiny’s Coil and the Interpretation of Its Events through Divination]

 

(p.79-80, “On sait que le stoïcisme identifie Destin et Providence...”)

 

[In sum: The events of the world happen by causal necessity and are guided by God’s wisdom. To interpret an event means to understand its place in a series of rationally ordered events that unravel in this ordered way. The practice of divination may not involve actually knowing the causes, but it can still operate by recognizing the signs of causes.]

 

The Stoics identified Destiny with Providence. This means that when we interpret an event, we are both assessing a causal explanation and finding a justification for it in terms of ends. This involves understanding its connectedness within the series of events that unfold as providential Destiny. Goldschmidt quotes Cicero’s On Divination Book 1, LVI, 127:

he who knows the causes of future events necessarily knows what every future event will be. But since such knowledge is possible only to a god, it is left to man to presage the future by means of certain [p. 363] signs which indicate what will follow them. Things which are to be do not suddenly spring into existence, but the evolution of time is like the unwinding of a cable: it creates nothing new and only unfolds each event in its order. This connexion between cause and effect is obvious to two classes of diviners: those who are endowed with natural divination and those who know the course of events by the observation of signs. They may not discern the causes themselves, yet they do discern the signs and tokens of those causes.

(Cicero 1923, copied from Perseus, boldface mine)

Here is the Goldschmidt text:

34. On sait que le stoïcisme identifie Destin et Providence5. En ce sens, interpréter un événement signifie indiffé- | remment l’expliquer (cause) ou le justifier (fin), en le rattachant ou, plutôt, en comprenant son rattachement à la série des événements que déroule le Destin providentiel « Qui tiendrait, en effet, les causes des événements futurs saur a nécessairement tout l’avenir. Cela, nul n’en est capable, excepté Dieu ; mais il reste à l’homme, d’après certains signes qui impliquent des conséquences, à prévoir l’avenir. L’événement futur, en effet, ne surgit pas brusquement, l’écoulement du temps d’un moment à l’autre ressemble au déroulement d’un câble qui ne produit rien de nouveau, mais qui déploie, à chaque fois, ce qui était auparavant. C’est là ce que voient aussi bien ceux qui ont reçu le don de la divination naturelle que ceux qui connaissent le cours des choses par l’observation ; s’ils n’aperçoivent pas les causes elles-mêmes, ils en aperçoivent au moins les signes et les indices »1.

5. Chalcidius, in Plat. Tim., 142 (Chrysippe). S.V.F., II, 933.

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1. Cic., de diu, LVI, 127.

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2.1.4.1.34.2

[The Togetherness of Moments in the Coil of Time]

 

(p.80, “La pleine connaissance des événements...”)

 

[In sum: The uncoiling of the rope is an image that is not about the (metrical or qualitative) homogeneity of time (like the geometrical “time-line”) but is rather about the idea that all events are from the beginning found together and that the temporal succession only deploys an initially given set.]

 

Only God has full knowledge of all events and their causes. We have already seen that God sees all things in the cosmic period in the mode of the present. The image of the uncoiling of a rope does not necessarily signify that all things are “perfectly uniform”; rather, it simply conveys the idea that all things are present together: the temporal succession only deploys an initially given set. [I am not entirely sure I understand the implications of that claim. Is the emphasis on ‘initially’ there to suggest that the series can change?] Bergson uses a similar image of an unfolding fan to portray the atemporalism that he was arguing very firmly against. It is primarily in divination that humans imitate, to the extent that they are able, this vision of the whole of time, by beginning with a singular event.

La pleine connaissance des événements et de leurs causes n’appartient qu’à Dieu. Nous avons déjà vu qu’elle saisit toutes choses dans le mode du présent, l’ensemble d’une période cosmique étant présent au regard de Dieu2. L’image du déroulement d’un câble ne signifie pas nécessairement que le cours des choses soit « parfaitement uniforme »3 ; elle exprime simplement l’idée que les choses sont présentes ensemble : la succession temporelle ne fait que déployer un ensemble initialement donné (« traductio temporis... primum quidque replicantis ») ; c’est par une image tout à fait comparable, que Bergson figurera l’intemporalisme qu’il combat4. – C’est principalement dans la divination, que l’homme, autant qu’il en est capable, imite cette vision d’ensemble, à partir d’un événement singulier.

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2. Cf. §§ 17-18.

3. Ch. Appuhn, éd. Garnier, n. 178. – Il est vrai que, en dernier ressort, il y a équivalence entre l’homogénéité de la substance, le présent cosmique des périodes et l’identité des événements à travers les périodes (§§ 25, 2; 101; cf. p. 39, n. 6).

4. « L’éventail qu’on déploie pourrait s’ouvrir de plus en plus vite, et même instantanément ; il étalerait toujours la même broderie, préfigurée sur la soie » (La Pensée et le Mouvant, p. 11).

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From:

 

Goldschmidt, Victor. 1953. Le système stoïcien et l'idée de temps. Paris: Vrin.

 

 

Otherwise:

Cicero. 1923. De Senectute De Amicitia De Divinatione. With An English Translation. William Armistead Falconer. Cambridge. Harvard University Press; Cambridge, Mass., London, England. 

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=urn:cts:latinLit:phi0474.phi053.perseus-eng1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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